Last night was The Vampire Diaries season 2 episode 2, titled “Brave New World.” And it’s a world we really like. At least, my friend Amy and I really like. Amy was the second panelist for The Vampire Diaries Dialogue Panel Project, and I’ve had so much fun with her that we’ve basically become Gtalk BFFs whenever I manage to pull away from my work mode. (TVD BRINGS PEOPLE TOGETHER! THIS IS WHY I LOVE FANDOM! /soapbox.)
As a note, we did this in GTalk and the “me” is moi, Jessica Rae. But finding and replacing “me” with my name made words like “became” turn into “becaJessica Rae.” And that? That’s just weird. So anyway, it sounds very ego-centric with the “me’s” but it’s the best option. As an additional note, Gtalk doesn’t put a name if someone enters some talk a few times, so if you see no name next to a sentence, it was by the last person named. Uh, you’ll get the picture pretty quickly! Amy and I talked fast, and for a pretty long while!
Amy is Amysbp on Twitter and I am ThisJessicaRae on Twitter. Follow us and we’ll follow you back! You can also follow SSScoop! You WILL get a followback! We’re friendly, and we love to chat/read about TV. (Amy prefers Stelena while I opt for Delena. I think we both like Katherine with anyone. Which means we think Katherine is a slut…which we don’t think! Well, TBD.)
Take note of: We mention a dinosaur egg, our gushing of Candice Accola‘s performance, what jewelry was keeping Katherine in the sun last week, a psychology vs sociology mini tangent debate, why Ian Somerhalder is dumb to tweet TVD could ever be canceled, our jinx’s, a theory for why Katherine and Elena look the same, how Tyler’s Mom is sexually repressed… and our note of the scene where Stefan was actually really creepy towards Elena! Plus, we (of course) referenced Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Veronica Mars, Gilmore Girls, Alias and probably even more shows I’m forgetting.
me: I finally saw it 😀
me: That was such a strong episode for Candice, she was soooo good. I thought her portrayal would be a lil more campy like Harmony on Buffy. But she was so dark – because, well, becoming undead is a dark thing. Haha.
Amy: It really is a dark thing. And Candice was absolutely brilliant!
Makes me love Caroline even more
me: When I became undead, it was totally like that.
I still find Matt predictably BLAH.
Matt is freaking ADORABLE.
I LOVE Matt.
Together as well!
me: He is just going to become a tragic and needy character!
Tyler/Caroline ftw 😛
Amy: hey now!
me: Elena is such a softie not letting Bonnie torch Damon.
Amy: She has a soft spot for Damon!
me: But can I tell you my favorite of most favorite quotes?
Amy: you CAN
me: The Ninja Turtle/Combat Turtle exchange!
me: HOW DOES DAMON NOT KNOW THEM?
Amy: Ninja Turtles!
Stefan made a funny!
He’s obviously not a child of the 80’s!
me: I know, I love when he does that. Swoonage occurs.
Amy: or was drunk and or strung out on drugs through out the 80’s
Stefan being funny and smiling and being light is TOTALLY swoonworthy
I almost like it better than when he’s dark because it happens so infrequently (is that a word?)
me: Oui, oui.
Bonnie’s hair bugged me in this episode.
me: And I feel bad that her crushable guy died.
I’m very AWARE of hair!
Elena’s hair bugged me too, actually.
I hate when it’s so PLAIN JANE straight, parted in the middle.
Caroline had excellent hair. And I love how they did her makeup so it was dark eyes and no lippy so the blood was like AHHH
…I am a freak who notices these things.
Amy: haha, you’re not a freak
i obses over that too
me: Let me have my freak label!
What do you think that stone thing is?
Amy: one of my notes was about Carolines new makeup and clothes
me: Why won’t Mason tell Tyler that he’s a werewolfy?
Amy: I DON’T KNOW what that stone is!
I was like is that a dinasour egg?
me: LMFAO DIES DIES DIES
I think maybe it’s a moonstone, idk. Twilight is gonna sue, don’t they use moonstones for something? haha.
Amy: uhhh no
me: I thought it was SMART that Tyler took it out of the box.
Amy: I don’t think so
Tyler’s a smarty!
me: Well, I don’t like Twilight so I have no clue. I thought Bella had some moonstone ring.
But also, was there significance to those papers?
Amy: I’m sure there was, but we don’t know WHAT
me: The instant I see hidden papers in a floorboard I’m all suspicious.
Do you think Tyler knew about them, or was that the first time he was finding them?
Amy: I want to KNOW these things!
me: Well, duuh, the show is succeeding if we want to know.
Amy: well he obviously knew about it he knew something was in the floorboards
me: Very Lane in Gilmore Girls.
I want hidden things in my floorboards.
I was thinkign that too
I’ve ALWAYS wanted to hide things in my floorboards
me: Secret compartments are awesome.
Amy: I just hide things in the back of picture frames
me: Oooh. NOW I KNOW WHERE TO LOOK, HA.
I don’t even have anything good to hide.
Except for my exotic dinosaur egg.
Amy: well like if you’re trying to “save” money you stick it somewhere you forget about
me: That’s how you go broke!
Amy: GLOWY dinosaur egg
It kinda glowed
me: Omg. ORB OF THESULAish.
Amy: This isn’t going to end well!
me: If it holds a soul or can capture a sooooulll….weird.
That’s the fun, dude.
I’m sure you liked the Stelenaness of this ep. It was cute.
Amy: Now I want to go re-read the books and see if there’s anything about the egg in the books
I DID like it
me: I like that we call it an egg.
Amy: well that’s what it looks like
me: Tyler’s Dad ‘laid
in the floorboards
me: Punny funny.
so going to back to Stefan/Elena
I like how Elena wants to be normal
we’ve never seen her be normal
It’s a new thing for her/us to see
me: I almost thought she was going to avoid Stefan during her normal speech to Bonnie.
Amy: I kinda thought maybe she would too, but she’s making Stefan be normal too
and it’s nice
to see a bit of lightness to them instead of all doom and gloom
me: Yea. The calm before the wicked storm.
Amy: ALSO with this whole “normal” thing, I was thinking of veronica mars in the beginning of S2 when Veronica was all about being normal
me: I love how Damon was taunting Stefan, all “I bet I’m in your ever conversation.”
Yea, Veronica went to Duncan (Stefan) then.
Amy: NOOOOO don’t compare DoNUT to Stefan!
me: Hehehehe. Sorry!
But Damon is kind of a Logan!
Amy: Stefan >>>>> do-NUT as Lilly always said
Damon you CAN compare to Logan, I accept this
I had never thought about it, but it is very true
both psychotic jackasses
me: Haha. I guess that is a fair assessment.
Now I must wonder…
Why do I like psychotic jackasses so much?
But you don’t like psychology so we can’t even ask Freud!
What does SOCIOLOGY say about it?
That the fringe society has a unique appeal?
and that something in society is pushing them towards the fringe
something is INFLUENCING them
me: We are not being compelled by vampires, here!
Dude. Omg. Damon towards Caroline? I am so mad.
Amy: ME TOO!
Caroline is NOT Vicky
she’s crazy, but good crazy
and WAY more in control
me: I feel so bad, but like. Vicky sucked. :/ And it’s like… I could tell Elena wanted to be like, “Okay, but we didn’t even like her…” Which sucks b/c Jeremy was “in love” with her, all crushy.
But there IS a difference in both gals. Caroline has more of a chance, she’s less of a wildcard.
Amy: Very much less of a wildcard
she has actual friends
and a boyfriend
me: I can’t believe Damon wanted to off her. And Stefan thought it was teh thing to do. I mean, ugh! If they can do it, other’s can!
Amy: and also more of a stable perky, driven personality
Ok, also, speaking of Damon AND Jeremy
Leave poor Jeremy alone already!
me: Those little bits of PERK were so cute. She is so Type A.
Jeremy is VERY mentally stable, all not killing Damon but admitting his plan to his face.
Although that’s kind of a smart plan, in itself.
IF THEY BECOME FRIENDS…lmao.
I think a Jeremy/Damon bro-ship would be seriously interesting
Jeremy needs some dude in his life.
me: I feel like maybe Tyler and him will buddy up.
Jeremy has no one in his life.
Amy: They keep hinting at that, but nothing yet
me: It would be smart to have hooked Jeremy up with Bonnie, but we’ve never seen a hint that they like each other.
But just, to keep both characters on the screen and stuff. Keeping it incestuous. Haha.
Cause it isn’t incestuous enough?
me: Where everyone dates everyone, yadda. But that’s how shows operate, so the main players get time on the screen.
And it’s a small town!
Amy: It IS a small town, very small town.
me: Also – when they said the Vicki thing happened at a carnival, wasn’t it just a Halloween School Dance?
Amy: It was
but umm minor details
me: Haha, yea.
Amy: lets go wtih that
me: Well, I’m sure he didn’t remember it well, plus he just wanted to be snarky.
And that was a biting comment, no pun.
me: I SAID NO PUN
Amy: doesn’t count!
Moving on…speaking of the town
I LOVE Damon’s double personality
me: You are moving there?
Ohhh, with Carol or w/e.
Amy: being all buddy buddy with Carol
and all ooooh I love this town i’m a founding family member
me: Yea, I wonder when THAT jig will be up.
I mean HELLO
me: But I honestly do believe that Damon is trying to protect the town from vampires, ironically.
Amy: I do too.
me: Like, minus him.
Amy: I just get a huge kick out of the way he does it.
He’s weasled his way right in there
me: I wish they would say “D name” not “D word” because there are so many D words that I think of. Lmao.
Well, wouldn’t you want to be in the inner-circle of the people talking about you? LIKE A SPY.
me: I want to be a spy, but I have no guts or fangs.
me: That’s a bad visual. I have guts.
Amy: After Alias, I wanted to be a spy, SO badly
me: There should be a website of spy gadgets. I bet there are. But yea.
Instead of college or grad school, SPY SCHOOL
I guess that’s the CIA. But I heard the CIA is more dangerous than the FBI.
So, let’s just be vampires that do roller derby.
Amy: I believe it
me: It’s a night sport!
Amy: I’d be DOWN for that
me: I’d GO DOWN b/c I can’t skate. 😀
Amy: I can’t either
i run into trees to stop
me: Trees are helpful.
me: Okay, what are your other notes?
me: I just don’t want to leave any out if you had other’s
Amy: I had on close captioned for a bit when i was trying to rewatch
Amy: And when Damon was “hear-spying” on Tyler
me: NOT A WORD 😛
Amy: it said “Vampire hearing” on the close up of his ear
me: HA!!!!! SNORT.
Amy: so I officially declare “hear-spying” and “vampire hearing” as part of the TVD fandom
me: It has been declared. GONG.
Or rather, BOOM.
Amy: oh no!
me: What does a gavel sound like?
Amy: not the BOOM
more like a boom
a lighter boom?
me: BOING BANG?
I would pound the gavel several times.
Amy: Woo hoo!
me: I want to state that I loooved the entire Caroline/hospital stuff. That was like a movie. I mean, it was movie-quality. I’m surprised she learned to compel so fast, but she was pretty desperate. But yea, that was shot beautifully with the shadows.
I’m so interested in her story now. With her Mom.
Amy: Yeah that’ll be very interesting to see how that pans out.
me: And I wonder if they’ll get Caroline a ring so she can go to school.
Amy: I mean Caroline’s a VAMPIRE without a ring at the moment
Amy: I want her to get a ring!
I don’t want to only see her in the dark
she’s to bright and bubbly for that
me: True. It’s a convenient storytelling tool.
I can’t imagine her being like, “Oh, I want to be homeschooled.”
Bonnie can help. Emily made the necklace for Katherine, I thikn.
AND HEY. Katherine, what does she use now? In the premiere?
She was not wearing that lapis necklace in the premiere.
Amy: that’s a good question
I don’t remember, I’d have to go back and look
me: Although…was she in the sunlight? I’m sure she was.
Amy: Yeah she was
me: I don’t think Katherine would give up going in the sun. Yea.
She must of had something.
Amy: at the Lockwood mansion
me: Why can’t I have a mansion?
me: With floorboards for hiding.
me: Carol got over her husbands death pretty fast.
She’s very like…composed.
Amy: I think that’s who she is
me: And even mentioning him and his nooks and crannies
Amy: how she was brought up to be
me: Which btw sounded sexual
me: IT DID
Amy: It didn’t till you SAID it did!
Carol is a sexual deviant, I just know it.
Suuuuuure she is
me: Omg and Caroline with her kinky thing.
I love how that was her excuse.
I would have been “Your excuse is that you walked into a pitchfork.” I’m really good under pressure.
That was the best!
Also at the end
she controlled herself!
me: Does Caroline want Matt to bite her? 😛
Yea. She LURVES HIM.
Amy: she DOES
and it’s ADORABLE
I had a big ole squee
me: I really like her curtains. I want to have billowy curtains that I keep open at night for my lovers to sneak through.
Amy: Me too, especially if that lover was Matt
me: But if they are Matt-boring I will be very displeased 😛
Amy: opposite of jinx@
The recap before the episode was kind of too long.
I’m ready for a new opening shot in the recaps.
That forest with fog is so overdoooone.
OH. And I had a note about Stefan. All saying he came here to start a life with her. I love his quotes about living that life and the moments, but it was creepy the way he seemed like a really old guy ready to get married.
Amy: Yeah a little bit
me: Like, instead of being romantic I was kind of like, BACK OFF SHE’S A TEENAGER
i was thinking that too
me: SPACE AH CAN’T BREATHE 😛
Amy: but Elena didn’t seem creeped out
me: But did he even come to the town cause he knew she was there? I forget why he came back or if he saw her first. But he didn’t know it was her or what she was like yet.
After he saved her and watched her he liked her.
Amy: I don’t remember exactly why he first came back
for Damon I think
me: I think he missed the weather there 😛
me: Do you think Delena will happen this season?
I think Elena still has issues with him
he KILLED Jeremy
me: I didn’t say DO YOU WANT it too
Jeremy is totally cool with it!
Amy: yeah but Elena’s NOT
me: Elena saved Damon!
Amy: she’s not ready for him to die
she’s got unresolved feelings for him
me: Burning passionate feelings.
Amy: i don’t know about THAT
me: TORRID sexual feelings?
me: I sense them!
Amy: Only during their dance scene!
me: Which was not that long ago!
Amy: No, but a lot has happened!
(I like how we talk in exclamation points…)
me: You are beating a dead, death event…er…I can’t make that sentence work!
I will not stop them now!
Amy: Can we go back to the opening for a sec? the opening recap did bring up an important point that Bonnie and Elena talked about–why do Katherine and Elena look exactly alike?
That’s my one burning question
me: I AM SO GLAD THEY WILL ADDRESS THAT!
B/c otherwise it’s sloppy like they just wanted Nina to play both
Amy: Like they are doppelgangers (thank you Alias for teaching me about that word)
me: Okay, here is a theory I just made up
Katherine somehow uh, found a way to have herself reborn as a human.So there’s two versions of HER.
Meaning Elena is actually Katherine, before she was turned. And obviously with no memories of before.
me: Which would make it so much more complicated for the love triangles.
Amy: Ummm and incestuous
me: Because like, how can it be that she’s just a relative? That’s weird.
Amy: er incestuous
me: Well, Stefan likes the “nice” version of Katherine, in my theory. And Damon likes the nice version too.
So Katherine should just kill Elena and pretend to be her forever. Duhs.
Amy: Not a bad idea
but I think Katherine is TOO Katherine
to ever be Elena
I really want to re-read the books (yes i said that already) but I want to again, because I have all these questions and I want to know if the books answer them at all
And I’m also hoping that Katherine sticks around
me: Do you think the book/show are following the same lines?
Amy: Not really
me: Yea, I kind of like Katherine more than Elena.
Amy: the show has kind of veared off in its own direction
in a good way
very good way
I like the show better than the books, but the books add a bit of characterization that we don’t always have the time to see on the show
me: I am so ready to rewatch the premiere of season 2 again. 😀
Obviously they’ve got a good thing going.
Ian tweeted something about not wanting to get canceled, and I was just like, that feels like it could neeever happen.
Amy: I saw that too. I feel like it could never happen either.
TVD is such a big thing now! And it’s pretty much the best thing the CW has going for htem
me: Yea. I think so. Supernatural, too. And ANTM. But it’s a showstopper for sure.
We loved VMars and look what happened, though :/
But I don’t think that will happen here.
Not even five years into the show.
Amy: I feel that TVD is more stable than VM was
me: I think the only problem would be like, if one of the main cast wants to leave.
Well, it has the whole book series to lean back on.
me: So it had a built in fanbase already.
So if it loses fans, it has tons more.
Amy: but even when it veers off into new territory it’s great
me: Yea. The mythology is great. Although sometimes I am confused b/c there are so many little tweaks for so many shows, books and movies that I get into.
me: Of lore. Like, in some shows a vampire is made one way, and in another show another wa.
Amy: ooooh, I see
Yeah, hard to keep track sometimes
me: My brain does not feel big enough sometimes.
Amy: We need a handy dandy chart to keep track of it all
me: I am using a lot of my brain to store home decor ideas, haha. So it’s very packed!
I should make a chart of every episode that Damon is totally tragic. But it would be every episode.
Amy: it WOULD be every episode
somemore so than others
me: After Elena saved him from Bonnie, he seemed like, well injured. But more than that. Kind of defeated in a large way. Embarrassed, almost.
Is Damon more tortured than Stefan? That is the question.
Sent at 12:58 AM on Friday
Amy: Yes. He is
Very much so
I think anyways
Amy: he’s got this whole i hate stefan for making me a vamp, I’m in love with Katherine but she’s not with me
I’m also in love with Elena, but can’t do anything about it
and he actually likes the town and wants to protect it
but he’s actually evil, but not
me: He is his ow doppleganger.
Amy: he really IS
he’s got such a dual personality
So can we agree that the theme of this season so far is doppelganger-ness?
Duality of light and dark and happy and said and angry and glad, and all that
me: I want Ben & Jerry’s to make a Doppelganger ice cream flavor for TVD, yup 😀
Duality, big word much? 😛
TRYING TO SHOW OFF
me: Let me just uh, find a dictionary to find a big word…
Amy: I read too many tv recaps
me: This recap has been RECAPPED. Capped. In its recapped ass.